Escape from an apostate church through knowledge of Scriptures.
-----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:48 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Your "Life Line to NAC members"
Hello Mr. Hanline,
I am not going to be profane like others have been in response to your site. I just have question or two. What drove you to create such a website bashing the Word of God? It really looks more like a personal vendetta against the New Apostolic Church rather than a tool that is meant to "save people from this destructive cult". Perhaps it was only your personal experience that caused you to leave the church.
I am an NAC member, in case you couldn't tell.
My father is a priest, and he does a lot of Bible reading and research, whether he is scheduled to hold a service or not.
Your website suggests that all of our ministers should be Bible scholars. Maybe you think they should go to "seminary" like ministers from other churches do it, so they can be taught just how they should plan a sermon so they can sell God better. That's actually one of the things I cherish most about the New Apostolic Church: the fact that every minister below the District and Chief Apostles is a volunteer, letting the Holy Spirit speak through them.
I am not trying to attack you. I would just like more clarification regarding the basis of your opinions.
[A Priest's Son]
-----Reply----- From: Tim Hanline [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Your "Life Line to NAC members"
Dear [A Priest's Son],
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write, and please be assured that I do not feel attacked by your inquiry. It is my pleasure to give clarification because it is written in 1 Peter 3:15, “always be ready to give an answer to everyone asking you a reason concerning the expectation that is in you.”
When I was first ordained as a priest in the NAC, my conscience immediately started to bother me because I had never up to that point studied the Scriptures or even read the Bible from cover to cover in its entirety. So I was expected to teach classes and conduct church-services regarding topics that were based on the Bible, but until that time I had never really studied the Bible. Understanding this, I resolved to study it and when I did, the inconsistencies between what is written therein and the NAC teachings became obvious. (By the way, these inconsistencies also exist for many other Christian denominations).
These inconsistencies were numerous. For example:
The Scriptures teach observance of Sabbath days as recorded in Leviticus chapter 23, but the NAC (as well as virtually all Christian denominations) teaches obedience to holidays created by men.
Scriptures teach that it is wrong to obey men who do not teach what is written in the Scriptures, but the NAC teaches that “apostles” should be obeyed regardless of what is written in the Scriptures.
The Scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth (and we know that what is written in the Scriptures is truth), but the NAC teaches that the Holy Spirit is some mystical force that tells the ministers what to say from the alter thus relegating “divine services” to the ethical equivalence of fortune-tellers, which is condemned in Scriptures.
The Scriptures teach that there will be a resurrection of the dead on the last day at which those who have done righteousness will rise and live and those who have done evil will rise and be condemned, but the NAC teaching regarding the “day of the first resurrection” is consistent with the teachings of John Nelson Darby who put forth the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture, which is a concept that is not supported by the whole of Scriptures.
And there are many more examples, which we can elaborate on with future correspondence.
Although the NAC apostles claim that they are true apostles of “Christ,” there is no evidence in their sorted history that Yahshua Messiah ever personally appointed them as such. “Prophet Geyer” who originally “called” them later denounced what he had done.
Regarding an experience in the NAC that may have driven me away, understand that having been raised in the NAC doctrine, I fully believed what I had been taught growing up. I believed that obeying my “bearer of blessing” would yield good results, and I had many “experiences of faith” to support this idea in my own mind. (But the Scriptures reveal that even our experiences can deceive us). I had on many occasions been rebuked by higher ranking ministers for various infractions, yet I accepted and appreciated their rebuke and did not take offense to it. But when these ministers insisted that I obey the NAC apostles instead of obeying what is plainly written in the Bible, I knew at that point that we had problems that were irreconcilable. Once it became known that I was studying the Bible and regarding the Scriptures as more authoritative than the NAC apostles, I was labeled as a “trouble-maker” by those same NAC apostles. People in the NAC are concerned only with obedience to their organizational hierarchy just like any other similar religious organization that claims to know the Bible better than you do. Yahshua Messiah had the same problem with the religious authorities of His day. Similar such organizations include the Roman Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, the Jehovah’s Witness church, the Baptist church, the Methodist church, Islam, and the list goes on and on. Satan has many imitations, but true salvation is possible only in our obedience to our Creator as articulated and written by His prophets recorded in the Scriptures.
My prayer for you and your father is that you will both realize that true understanding of the Scriptures does not come through your NAC apostle. True understanding of the Scriptures comes from uncovering the truth, which is what the Spirit of Truth inspires us to do. To understand the Scriptures, we must study, dig for answers, understand the Hebrew language, understand the Hebrew culture, understand the Greek language, and understand historical contexts. (Although there is much to learn, the salvation of even the newest believer is evidenced by his simple turning away from his sin). In short, only the Spirit of Truth – the real Holy Spirit – can lead us to do such studies, but the imitated “Holy Spirit,” such as the spirit in the NAC, offers only tempting “shortcuts to knowledge” by simply “asking your apostle for the answer.” Be assured that this “shortcut to knowledge” is in fact a “short-circuit” that leads only to emotion-placating ignorance and destruction.
Be assured that leaving the NAC was very difficult, but with the Scriptures as our guide, the process was made much easier. At the time of leaving the NAC, I was so deceived that I did not know how to have my sins forgiven without hearing the “absolution” and receiving “Holy Communion.” The question that we all must answer is, “are my beliefs and actions being determined by my fear of men or am I rather believing and acting according to the commands that our Father in Heaven have clearly communicated in the Scriptures?” Will we obey men’s traditions or will we obey Yah’s commandments? Obedience of Yah’s commandments as written in the Scriptures leads to eternal life. Obedience to men leads to death.
May the Spirit of Truth – the real Holy Spirit – guide you as you study the Scriptures and apply them with diligence and a clean conscience.
Wishing peace of the Sabbath to you and yours,
Tim Hanline, Jr.
-----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:40 PM To: tim hanline Subject: Re: Your "Life Line to NAC members"
Thank you for your prompt reply! Following are my views on your inconsistencies:
1. Please elaborate. What do you mean by "holidays created by men"?
2. I don't believe that obeying the person who is the Apostle, but the Spirit that guides them. Ultimately, I make my own choices. If an Apostle says something that is inconsistent with Scripture, I'll always go with what the Bible says over what the Apostle says. I know that most NAC members are not like that, but I am. I can't stand hero worship from the members or that "you can't touch me, I'm so great" attitude from an Apostle. Fortunately, the USA now has a District Apostle who is very down-to-earth and real, which is exactly what we've needed for years (DAp Kolb). I'm not bashing Freund by any means, I'm just saying that sometimes it didn't feel like I could relate to him. Also, I think a lot of why the Apostles seem so untouchable is because the lower ministers do too much to get the members excited about their visits, like the words that come out of them through the Holy Spirit are worth more than your average Priest's services. I believe that the higher the ministry, the bigger the blessing will be, but that's the only difference.
3. I mentioned the Holy Spirit serving through ministers in my response to #2, but I would just like to clarify here by saying that what I believe is that the Holy Spirit is alive inside the ministers, and through that Spirit, they are able to serve. I don't believe that our divine services qualify as fortune-telling, though. I've seen one or two occasions where the minister had not prepared properly by reading the circular and studying the Bible, and no amount of Holy Spirit could have prepared him in the natural sense of knowing what to talk about. I believe that the Holy Spirit exists in divine services to enhance what the ministers have already prepared to present to the congregation.
4. I will have to research what John Nelson Darby said and get back to you on this one.
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Hanline [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: RE: Your "Life Line to NAC members"
You are absolutely correct to say, “If an Apostle says something that is inconsistent with Scripture, I'll always go with what the Bible says over what the Apostle says.”
Let it be so!
It is sadly true that most in the NAC would not agree with this statement. If you have witnessed the moral and ethical decline in the NAC, I believe this is precisely the reason: the words of the Most High as found in the Bible have been greatly obscured in the NAC.
Now is the time to start reading and studying the Bible intensely, because this is a time of great deception and darkness. We must receive the light of the truth from Scriptures and articulate that truth to others as well.
I do realize that at the moment in your mind, there is no difference between what is spoken at the NAC altar and what is written in the Scriptures. I believe that this idea will be challenged to the breaking point as you read the Scriptures independently. The very Bible that the NAC issued to every NAC family contradicts NAC doctrine at very many points.
What I am about to relay to you is very important, and you will perhaps find it shocking. The implications are frankly frightening. May your mind be sanctified to receive truth in the name of Yahshua Messiah.
Regarding “holidays created by men,” you have asked an excellent question. Yah has given us His appointed times, also known as Sabbaths, that we have been commanded to observe. These Sabbaths are a sign between us and the Most High that we belong to him; they are like a brand or a mark upon us. Juxtapose this with the idea that the adversary Satan cunningly deceives through imitation, as he desires to be “like the Most High.” Satan’s beastly kingdom today has its own beastly imitation holidays, which have been adopted from ancient Babylonian religious holidays. The Roman Catholic Church adopted them and passed them along to us, as Protestant churches have been largely unwilling to cleanse their theology of a great many beastly influences. The sun-god, known as Baal and many other names, was worshipped in ancient Babylon, and the sun-god’s holy days were the day of his (1) “immaculate conception,” (2) birth and (3) death. Baal (which is translated from Hebrew as “lord”) also imitated the (4) weekly Sabbath with the “venerable day of the Sun.” These Satanic holidays, which I have referred to as man-made holidays are (1) Easter (the Spring Equinox), (2) Christmas (the Winter solstice), (3) Lent, and (4) Sunday-sabbath respectively. Just as our observance of the commanded Sabbaths found in Leviticus 23 are a sign that we belong to the Most High, so the observance of these satanic holidays are a sign that one belongs to the beast. This is serious stuff. I have written about this at length at http://www.lifelinetonac.com/articles/thebeastandhismark.html and http://www.lifelinetonac.com/debates/christmas.html (be sure to watch the video there). Another good starting point to understanding the history of Babylon Religion can be found here http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0187.asp.
John Nelson Darby’s history intersects with the history of the NAC around 1830 A.D. especially at the Aubury Circle. You may remember that the founders of the CatholicApostolicChurch came from this group. Darby’s dispensational views and eschatology are also referred to as “Jesuit Futurism” and for good reason, as Darby was influenced by the writings of Jesuits in their attempt to refute the influence of Protestantism. A good starting point to understanding some of this history can be found at http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2008/12/jesuitical-futurism-left-behind.html. The author of the article at this link Steve Wohlberg has written about this history extensively, but regardless of the author’s historical findings, the Scriptures make our future events very plain. And the Scriptures say nothing regarding a secret rapture or “day of the first resurrection” as taught in the NAC. Realizing this was a big shock to us.
Blessings and Peace to you and yours in the name of Yahshua Messiah,