Escape from an apostate church through knowledge of Scriptures.
-----Original Message----- Subject: New Apostolic Christian
I sense lots of anger on your website. Why all the anger with the New Apostolic Christians or Church. Why question the work of the Lord? No one needs to compete with one another; we are all patiently waiting for the coming of the Lord. Therefore we need to have upright hearts and love one another and humble ourselves. For we want to be found worthy when the Lord sends his son.
Please read the 8th commandment again and make the necessary adjustments in your life. We are all sinners and if you want to build your way of believe by badmouthing someone else, I’ll pray for you. You are committing a sin every time someone visits your website.
We need to humble ourselves and strife to be like Jesus.
Be at peace my friend.
New Apostolic Christian
Ps: please put this on your website as well.
From: Tim Subject: RE: New Apostolic Christian
Dear New Apostolic Christian,
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to reach out to me. I am thankful to have received your email and pray for guidance now from the Holy Spirit -- the Spirit of Truth -- as we explore your comments from a Scriptural perspective.
I will be glad to post your email; however I ask for your response to the following comments and question.
You have described your position well, and having been raised in the NewApostolicChurch and taught NAC doctrine from my youth, I know that your position is consistent with that of the NAC doctrine, which shows that you have been paying attention to the NAC church services. Now I ask you to hear the Spirit that speaks from the Scriptural perspective -- from the Bible that sits upon the altar of the NAC, because although the Bible is present and read from on occasion does not necessarily mean that the Bible is studied in depth by those in the NAC nor does it necessarily mean that NAC doctrine is perfectly consistent with our Father's code of ethics as found in the Bible.
You asked, "why question the work of the Lord?"
(Please understand that for reasons described here and for fear of violation of the third commandment not to bring His name to naught, I will refer to our father in Heaven by His Self-given name, "Yah").
The first question that must be asked however is, "can we prove from the Scriptures that the NAC is the the work of Yah?" The answer is sadly, no, we cannot. Scriptures declare that the work of Yah is to obey the One whom He sent, Yahshua our Messiah (John 6:28, 29). If we are to obey Yahshua, then did Yahshua send the apostles of the NAC, and the answer is no; a man by the name of "Prophet Geyer" commissioned the apostles of the NAC, and there is no evidence that he did so by the authority of the true Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. Keep in mind that Geyer also later renounced the apostles of the NAC. For more information on discerning the true Holy Spirit, please refer to Scriptures, and a cursory explanation can also be found here.
Yahshua our Messiah has declared that the truth is found in the Scriptures.
If the Scriptures are the measurement by which truth is discerned, then would you affirm that to be truth, the teachings of the NAC apostles must be perfectly consistent with the teachings of Scriptures?
Peace of the Sabbath to you and yours,
To: Tim Subject: RE: New Apostolic Christian
Thanks for your email Tim
With regards to the scripture a text is read every Devine Service and the word is based on the text as to how we as Christians should apply this in our daily life’s and most importantly some nourishment for the soul. That’s what’s important to us, our souls. The word yesterday was from Matthew 22 verses: 11 & 12, about the wedding garment this symbolizes our spiritual life. Therefore we need to live to the image of Jesus Christ, our Saviour who died for our sins.
Why should I double check the scripture / text when it’s read from the altar? Do you go to church to doubt / double check whatever’s mentioned over the altar? Its one thing to read and understand but do you feel for what you’ve read? Does it move you? Does it fill your heart with joy? Do you understand it? Do you feel comfortable by spreading the Gospel of God without pointing fingers? Each and everyone will be judged according to their deeds and way of living and if this is your way of growing your congregation by bad mouthing the NAC all good and well. Peace be with you.
The Lord God is Omnipotent; Praise his wonderful Name.
Have a Blessed Day
[New Apostolic Christian]
From: Tim Subject: RE: New Apostolic Christian
Dear [New Apostolic Christian]
You have asked some good questions here.
Please keep in mind that I was a priest in the NAC before I really studied the Scriptures on my own.
In my experience, the leaders and the members of the NAC are not interested in righteousness as defined by the Scriptures.
For example, we are commanded in the Scriptures to set apart the Sabbath and do no work; it is a day of rest and a day of holy convocation. In my experience, people in the NAC and especially the leadership scoff at the very idea of doing no work on the Sabbath day. Furthermore, the NAC as well as many other Christian denominations bear the sign that they in fact belong to the beast by following the beast’s “Sabbath” on Sunday, which has been referred to as the “venerable day of the sun-god” in ancient Babylon and in the present-day Roman Catholic Church. A more detailed explanation can be found at The Beast and His Mark.
You asked, “Why should I double check the scripture / text when it’s read from the altar? Do you go to church to doubt / double check whatever’s mentioned over the altar?” The NAC ministers will read excerpts from the Bible to support the agenda being promoted in the NAC but will not preach the Bible in its entire context, and as a consequence, much of the meaning of Scriptures is omitted in NAC church services.
For example, consider the reference that you mentioned to Matthew 22. The beginning of Yahshua’s parable starts at verse 1 of that chapter. Did the minister start his explanation of this important parable at verse 1? In my experience, the answer is likely to be “no” in order to support the agenda that the NAC wants to promote – an agenda that is not necessarily consistent with the Scriptures.
According to the NAC, items in the 11th and 12th verses of this chapter are ideally suited to promote the NAC agenda. Considered out of context, the NAC will promote the following ideas regarding these verses.
The sovereign rightly represents “God” or more correctly, Yah.
The wedding feast represents the day of the first resurrection.
The wedding garment represents being a good, faithful New Apostolic who obeys the NAC leadership.
According to the entire history of the Scriptures however, the entire parable starting at verse 1 takes on a slightly different meaning.
The sovereign represents Yah.
The wedding feast would not represent the “day of the first resurrection” because this idea is not supported in Scriptures but is rather an idea invented by Jesuits writing under pseudonyms to refute the protestant reformation. These ideas were then promoted by John Nelson Darby who was a fore-runner of many Charismatic Christian denominations including the NAC. The events of our future include a resurrection of the dead and a millennial kingdom of peace. This was a shock to me when I studied independently! Keep an eye out for an article about John Nelson Darby.
The wedding garment represents sanctification through obeying the commandments of the Most High.
There are still more allusions in this parable.
The servants represent the true prophets of Yah who preached repentance and obedience to Yah’s commandments yet were abused and martyred for doing so.
The sovereign’s soldiers represent the Babylonian army under Nebuchadnezzar.
The destroying of the murderers in verse 7 and the burning of the city represents the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians at the onset of the Babylonian captivity of Judah, a captivity that happened because Judah and Israel refused to obey Yah’s commandments.
The “bad and the good” referenced in verse 10 refers to the gentiles and the Jews respectively who would all be gathered together and given the offer of eternal salvation through Yahshua our Messiah.
So, my question to you is, “were all of these details explained in the NAC service?” As I recall, the teaching of the NAC regarding Matthew 22:1-14 was quite limited in its explanation, and I do hope that the trend is changing so that the Bible will be taken more seriously and studied more thoroughly.
Furthermore, it is the responsibility of every believer to read and study the Scriptures and place their trust only in Yah by understanding His unadulterated Word as it is written. Men can be corrupted and should not be trusted. As the prophet YerimYah (Jeremiah 17:5) declared, “Cursed be the man who trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from Yah.”
I pray that all in the NAC will hunger and thirst for righteousness, which is thoroughly described by the written word of Yah as found in the Scriptures.